Monday, April 4, 2011

From Crisis to Crises

An exchange with new blog friend Dorothy in a recent post's comment thread has spurred me to write about something here that I've wanted to write about for some time, but realizing the potential firestorm, wanted to approach with caution. It's an issue that's near and dear to some who read here, and my intention isn't to offend. However, as I stated recently, we need to know why we believe what we believe and why we do what we do, and frankly, if we were to learn of the politics behind many of the things and movements we see as wholesome and "Christian", we'd be taken significantly aback.


Today, I want to take a look at Crisis Pregnancy Centers.


Let me go on the record and tell you that I consider abortion to be a human tragedy, and apart from medically necessary cases, I'm not a proponent of abortion on demand. That said, it absolutely ISN'T a litmus test for me in evaluating a political candidate. In case you guys haven't noticed, the vast majority of politicians are full of crap (I'd actually prefer the stronger word), and you need hip waders to listen to them speak - the crapola gets deeper with every step. The Religious Right had it's abortion nirvana during most of the last decade: conservative majorities in all three branches of government, and yet, no significant movement on the abortion issue - nor will there likely be in our lifetime. Our ridiculous primary process doesn't yield an electable candidate these days (I see it as impossible for it to do so), and in fact, seems to chew what little integrity and honesty that may once have resided in the candidate right out of them. Frankly, I could put more confidence in the reports we used to get from Baghdad Bob than in any political speech given during the election cycle.


Let me also go on record and say that not ALL CPCs engage in ethically and morally questionable practices, nor are the people they employ bad people. In fact, most who work and volunteer at CPCs would probably genuinely like to do some good.


What I want to do is look at the politics, motivations, and movements behind the CPC movement - things that even most of those involved with CPCs have no idea whatsoever about, and I'd like to look at some of the continuing practices of SOME CPCs. The fact is, the people responsible for the idea and movement of CPCs have created a cult all their own, using all of the manipulative and deceptive practices of acknowledged cult movements. In the course of this article, I'll be quoting from an article by the Crisis Pregnancy Center Watch. It should be noted that this entity has its own slant and bias, but the information they present is valid, even if the commentary they offer isn't. Decide for yourself what you find relevant. 


The first CPC was opened in Hawaii, by Robert Pearson, in 1967. Soon thereafter, to help burgeon the movement, the Pearson Foundation was established to assist in the opening of other CPCs. It offered...


• Training sessions  
• Slide shows - such as "Caring”: a 27-minute show that "includes many pictures 
of bloody fetuses in waste cans and one of a gurney carrying a woman who is 
apparently dead and is covered by a sheet. It ends by comparing abortion to the 
final solution"  
• Pamphlets  
• Discounted video equipment  
• Kits to perform urine tests  
• A manual entitled How to Start and Operate Your Own Pro-Life Outreach 
Crisis Pregnancy Center


The Pearson manual "How to Start and Operate Your Own Pro-Life Outreach Crisis Pregnancy Center" was the Holy Bible of wisdom offered to CPCs. From the CPC Watch, among the instruction found in the manual is the following...


• Regarding when a caller asks if they provide abortion services, “there is nothing 
wrong or dishonest if you don’t want to answer a question that may reveal your 
pro-life position by changing the caller’s train of thought by asking a question in 
return”  
• Recommends that staff answer the question “Are you a pro-life center?” with 
“We are a pregnancy testing center... What is pro-life?”  
• Instructs centers to use neutral advertising, to seek listings in the Yellow Pages 
alongside abortion clinics and to adopt "dual names": one to "draw abortionbound women" and one to attract donations from people against abortion  
• Advises when answering inquiries about their pregnancy tests (the same home 
pregnancy tests available from a store), "Tell her it's a refined form of the old 
rabbit test. This usually satisfies them. At no time do you need to tell them what 
you're doing"  
• Instructs staff to "never counsel for contraception"  
• Cautions "do not tell the client that she is or is not pregnant." Instead, staff are 
told to only say whether test results are positive or negative  
• The manual reads, "[o]ur name of the game is to get the woman to come in as 
do the abortion chambers. Be put off by nothing... Let nothing stop you. The 
stakes are life or death."


Ouch. Seems to me it encourages combating what Pearson sees as evil with...more evil.


According to CPC Watch, Pearson eventually admitted, publically, his desire to deceive...


Robert Pearson has publicly admitted this deception; in a 1994 speech, he responded, 
“obviously, we’re fighting Satan... A killer, who in this case is the girl who wants to 
kill her baby, has no right to information that will help her kill her baby. Therefore, 
when she calls and says, ‘Do you do abortions?’ we do not tell her, No, we don’t do 
abortions.”  


This doesn't speak well of CPCs beginnings, nor of the sociopolitical intentions of those behind the CPC movement.


My question to those who staunchly support the CPC movement is this: If Jesus had been tangibly, physically present when these statements were made, or when this manual was constructed - and implemented in practice in individual CPCs - would it have been spoken, written, and practiced the same way? I think we can all agree that it wouldn't.


Now...Think long and hard about that last paragraph, and then, tell me, with something more than feigned conviction, that Jesus was spiritually present when those things were spoken, written, and practiced.


Later, Focus on the Family became increasingly involved with CPCs - another notch against them from my perspective. FotF is entirely a dominionist organization, which, despite whatever good it may have accomplished, has spent much of its resources over the years trying to bully legislation through local, state, and federal legislatures which would force non-Christians to behave like Christians, along with trying to destroy the candidacies of any politician who wouldn't bow down to the god of FotF's sociopolitical agenda. My distaste for all things James Dobson runs pretty deep.


Perhaps CPCs have become less of a hyper-fundamentalist sociopolitical entity over the years. Less deceptive. More forthright. I hope so, but I don't know so, and from what I can see, it doesn't look promising. Dorothy's experience is evidence of elements of hyper-fundamentalist weirdness still being pretty palpable. It also seems that the workers/volunteers of choice that are targeted are young, naive, and religiously idealistic young women from various branches of QF and fundamentalism, attracting them with the notion that they'll be "saving babies". For instance, one of my ex's sisters now serves as "Director of Ministry" at a CPC (I can tell you, firsthand, that the guy who oversees this particular CPC is a P/QF fundamentalist fruitcake and snake). There are few people on the planet more green and naive than my ex's sister. She literally knows nothing about anything in life, and is at least 10 years emotionally behind her late 20s age. She shouldn't be counseling ANYONE in such a life altering situation as a young woman with an unexpected pregnancy. I repeat - she's the "Director of Ministry" at a Crisis Pregnancy Center.




If CPCs are open and upfront about the services they provide and don't provide, about their sociopolitical/religious motivations when asked, and don't attempt to pass themselves off deceptively and cosmetically as a legitimate health care facility, I'm all for them.


If they rely on misdirection, deception, the withholding of information, nouthetic counseling, and spiritual and emotional abuses to "save babies"...I'm pretty sure Jesus ain't involved.


If you're faced with an unexpected pregnancy, and a counseling center skirts around your questions over the phone and begs you to "come in to receive more information and counseling", call someone else, and keep calling until you find someone forthright and honest.


I read a statement similar to the one I'm getting ready to make elsewhere this week (I can't remember where, so if you're reading this, let me know so I can credit you)...It's a crying shame that there's a large section of fundamentalism in which a child diminishes in value the second it enters into life outside of the womb. I mean, their God loves unborn babies, but is more than willing to send a 10 year old from a third world country (who has never heard of Him) to eternal torment. That's quite a conflicted deity. 

21 comments:

  1. Very thought provoking, Lewis. I'll admit as I've gotten older that I tend to view many pro lifers as being a banana or two short of a bunch. That said, I still consider myself pro life. I refuse to accept that my husband's vasectomy is morally equivalent to cold blooded murder. When we were exploring our options some years ago, the only affordable place for a tubal ligation was Planned Parenthood. We didn't go that route because the idea that abortions were done there horrified me in ways I never could adequately describe.

    It's interesting that organizations claiming to protect life can be against people, mainly women, actively making their own choices. I think that means their agenda is not what it seems to be.

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  2. Lewis, this is an excellent article. I agree with you completely. I also have a daughter who is the director of a non-profit Christian pregnancy center. As well, I completed one of her counselor training courses and have had opportunity to talk with her and other co-workers. I can say that hers is not a fundamentalist organization or practice. In fact, I was surprised (my naivete shows) to learn that they do not promote saving babies above helping the women. In many CPCs, the pregnant women's thoughts, feelings, and circumstances are often ignored or downplayed to the detriment of these women clients. (I say women because they truly span the ages-very, very young to fifty-plus). My daughter's clinics understands this (as does a growing number of clinics) and works to be every bit as supportive of the women-regardless of their choices-as they are of the unborn. (They do not, of course, go so far as to provide abortions.) If I had to recommend a clinic to someone, I would have no problem recommending the one my daughter works at. Their clinics also have volunteer medical doctors (actual M.D.'s) and trained, licensed nurses who help with testing and counseling. (They staff the use of the ultrasound machines as well.) This particular organization is ecumenical enough to include both Protestant and Orthodox/Catholic and even non-Christian staff and volunteers. These are not card-carrying Fundamentalists, either. Some of them would be considered quite liberal by fundies. I know perfection doesn't exist, but as you said, not all centers are equally broken or defective in their approach and motives.

    I am glad you mentioned nouthetic counseling. It is hideous! It is the 'biblical' baseball bat waiting around the corner to ambush and mutilate the spirits of the unsuspecting, all in the name of Christ. I would love to read a post on that one, sometime.

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  3. @Anonymous I'd love more information about this type of clinic.

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  4. I [had two children alone/so speak from having LIVED it], can tell you, that it's not the good or bad centers so much In of themselves,

    but the ideology behind them and then WHO IS PAYING FOR THAT IDEOLOGY, meaning, Where do they get their financial support. And That, that right there, is the bottom line, and NOT just for CPC centers, but for any center that offers any kind of Non-profit help, be it religious or secular. We see this a lot in homeless shelters, the More privately owned, the more apt you will find horrid abuses,

    OR, in some secular or state rather, institutions where big money/polemic is behind them FOR other agendas, then there is a lot of corruption in those, such as systems where big lobbies make profit, e.g., pharma for children in mental juvenile treatment, here you can see it's the Experiments at the expense of children under the 'guise' of helping, that's just ONE example,

    so, it's not the Center, is bad--why generalized judgments of them, can get messy. Because you can Find good ones in certain places, but that doesn't mean the ideology Behind them all is good, just that the one that is half ass ethical is being Funded by parties that maybe are a bit more woman friendly--

    the more Hegemony of Control, where money/polemic is concerned, over non-profit/or religious, THEN the more they become polemic centers of Social Engineering and Experimentation, using women's bodies [in numerous ways] as Vehicles,

    for a much bigger sinister agenda.

    All in all, bottom line, when Women's Human AUTONOMY is demonized, stripped from her, and manipulated for the powers to be [patriarchal] then That's not good,

    sure some cases she Might find some safety--but all in all, she is Vulnerable, as well as her unborn/or born child,

    to exploitation.

    Jane

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  5. You mentioned animal rights as a precursor to right to life,

    but here's another way at looking at that, just to encourage Critical thinking/looking outside of 'religious PATRIARCHAL MISOGYNIST' lens here,

    yes life is beautiful, newborns, etc., in all types of biology, but they are also

    1. a food source [labor includes part of that] and exploited as such--animals eat animals--why I am animal rights but not in the extremes and PETA can f themselves--raping/bdsm porn use of Women to protect animals, is patriarchal misogyny raping whoredom at it's Worst, it's the Pearls of the 'left' earth movement, can we say Heil Hitler! [sorry, had to interject That truth in there]

    2. Because they are 'food' sources, they are Both, animals and women [wombs-breeders] MASS PRODUCED, MASS MARKETED, in EXTREMELY ABUSIVE AND TORTURE WAYS--FACT,

    that aspect of the whole Oh life is So beautiful argument goes Unheard of in the whole right to life debate--this is where Mass Market Producing and Butchering and Torture of Animals IS patriarchal, JUST LIKE FORCED BIRTHS USING WOMBS--

    it's for the SAME ends. Creating mass amounts of Food source to be consumed, not CARING how they got there, just as long as they are CHEAP, CONSUMED, TORE TO SHREDS, AND THEN TOSSED IN THE GARBAGE--

    as if they were NOTHING.

    Because TRUTH BE TOLD, the end product IS nothing--it's for Profit of the Butcher at the Wheel who spins the machines, FRIES THE MEAT WITH THE PROD/OR ROD, clamps the head and paralyzes their soul/body, that Pins them in in Prisons, rather than letting them run like Nature intended in free space grass,

    and then they are horribly butchered, AFTER they've been FORCED BRED/RAPED [heil Hitler again] in camps or cubicles [private Nuclear family prisons] and often the Children are raped too--

    so that Someone, Someone, with POWER and the RICH, can have plenty of cheap meat to consume,

    eat, rape, torture, exploit in slavery

    so really to Say one is right to life for animals and then using that to back up Patriarchal raping of women--for babies, is kind of an oxymoron, because animal cruelty is All about treating Animals and Mother Earth as nothing more than a cum dump means of food sources and resources to be

    pillaged, dominated, raped and then destroyed--the Desolation

    and then, of course, when Mother earth, animals and dead body soul murdered women don't Love in return,

    the Butchers Bitch...

    gee, duh, IF we truly CARE about LIFE--then we should CARE about the Nurturing of the One of that LIFE--sperm alone, is just that, Sperm

    it is NOT SUPREME [screw you Hitler]

    without the Breast, Sacrifice and Care of the Mother,

    the food dies--

    keep raping her, and she will die--desolation..OR she will strike back in Revenge

    dead fish, dead birds en mass, Tsunamis, EQ's, Mother Earth is FED UP

    and Man is next--guaranteed, and all the mass production and ideology and bell clanging of the Elites and Powers and PRIVILEGE

    won't save them...and there Won't be any Mother around to save them either--

    her Soul they killed off, demonized, stripped her of her Autonomy, her Spirit, her Life source

    but they'll have Plenty of Sperm...and of course, robotic women from Japan [oh yea]

    cloned sheep, and those children who sold into sex slavery, are Dead before they reach the age of five--slaving for our Chocolate [food], our Cotton [too many clothes], and of course,

    filling our pews and choirs so that raping men--those same ones who Hate abortion--have plenty of little bodies, to rape and toy with.

    Something to think about

    Jane

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  6. "It's a crying shame that there's a large section of fundamentalism in which a child diminishes in value the second it enters into life outside of the womb."

    AMEN! Where are they for that young woman the minute she is wheeled OUT OF the delivery room? Do they offer her a home, a job, day care?? Anything to make that "sacred" life of her child livable? Do they pay for paternity testing and attorney fees to go after the child support that too many men walk away from?? Do they pay the medical bills for the child?? NO--they don't. Yes, the DO accomplish some good--[at least in my area] they provide a "way" to "earn" clothing, diapers, etc by reading parenting articles. Out where I live that IS better than many other "social service agencies" provide in the way of help, but it sure isn't rent, utilities, education and health care!

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  7. This post brought to my mind a conversation I had with my children when they were very small and we were still reading Bible stories from the picture books...I was reading them the story where Pharoah tells the midwives to kill the Hebrew babies after they have delivered them. The Egyptian midwives were apparently more afraid of the Hebrew God than of Pharoah and therefore, LIED to Pharoah to protect the Hebrew children. Of course, my kids were immediately questioning me, "mom, they lied?" Because I had always told them not to lie, ever, no matter what. I had to think about that one awhile. I was reminded shortly after that many Germans had lied to protect Jews in Nazi Germany. Was that OK? I don't know. BUT, I'd like to think that I would have the courage to lie to save someone's life.

    I don't know anything about the centers of which you speak. Normally, deception/lies are something I would run from...but if it's to save a life? Just wanted to add a thought to the conversation. I'd be curious to know what others think of that perspective.

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  8. Brenda...I think what differentiates between those instances and the practices of SOME CPCs (practices, that used to be instructed - hopefully aren't these days) is who is being lied to, and why.

    It's one thing to lie to an evil ruler or to the Nazis during actual wartime to save someone's life, another altogether to lie - with the express purpose of emotionally manipulating - to an often already emotionally hurting and confused young woman. I think in intentionally deceiving these usually already distressed women, the liar actually becomes the "evil ruler" in the scenario.

    Some may say "But we ARE at war - with abortion. They're killing babies." That's a cultural war, and would make those of us who oppose abortion on demand no different, really, from the P/QF fundamentalists or the Westboro crowd in practice if we engage in it with deceit, control, and manipulation.

    The abortion battlefield is the heart, and in matters of the heart, the second we resort to lies and manipulation/emotional leveraging - we've already lost. For me, personally, lying speaks right to the core of who we are, as my parents always taught me "A person who will lie to you will do a lot worse if necessary" (one of their two "biggies" of personal character), so I can appreciate what you've taught your children.

    Just my perspective. Maybe someone else has something to add.

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  9. Since Jesus and Paul both said the commandments were summed up in "love one another" and "love God," then love is the moral compass. What is the loving thing to do? Murder is wrong except in self-defense or defense of another-- and lying is wrong except when it's necessary to protect someone from evil. This is because love is about doing good to people, not being enslaved to rules.

    With regards to CPCs, the other thing I have heard stories about is that they sometimes railroad young girls into giving their babies up for adoption rather than trying raise them themselves. Adoption is a good idea when you don't have resources to take care of your child-- but it needs to be a free choice, not something you're browbeaten into.

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  10. So in other words you're not opposed to the idea of a pro-life (no capital letters) alternative to Planned Parenthood's abortion-funded agenda and abortion clinics... you're opposed to the method used by CPC?

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  11. Poking now at a few sacred cows myself. . .

    Everyone I've ever talked to who has actually used Planned Parenthood has talked about how they were not encouraged to have an abortion, but were given support in whatever decision they made. 95% of what Planned Parenthood does is not related to abortion. They provide necessary medical testing, birth control, and health information to women who could not otherwise afford it. I don't know what an "abortion funded agenda" is, but Planned Parenthood's agenda is manifestly not to cause more abortions. I believe Planned Parenthood has become a scapegoat in the culture wars. I have certainly never heard of a Planned Parenthood clinic using any of the coercive tactics that CPCs are described as using above. I believe that attempts to dismantle Planned Parenthood are misplaced-- certainly not unless the vital services they provide poor women are replaced in some way.

    Also, has anyone noticed that the Bible does not actually say that a fertilized egg is a full human being with a human soul? Christians used to believe "ensoulment" happened several months after conception. This changed at about the same time we all got involved in this culture war. I'm not at all sure we are investing our energies wisely with regards to the full personhood of fertilized eggs.

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  12. semperfid...I don't consider Planned Parenthood the evil villian that many in the Christian community do. I agree with Kristen's take on PP. Most of the negativity surrounding them is empty propaganda in the culture war of the religious right.

    That said, I'm all for counseling services from a pro-life perspective, provided that they're honest and forthright about their agenda, the services they do and don't provide, don't resort to deceptive, manipulative, emotionally abusive practices, and don't attempt to cosmetically mimic a legitimate medical facility. CPCs generally don't have a good track record in these areas.

    They sometimes seem to view the mother as nothing more than a means to an end (the unborn child).

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  13. "A person who will lie to you will do a lot worse if necessary".

    My grandpa used to say the same thing only he ended the quote at "worse"...must be an NC saying.

    This has been a very informative post and discussion. I really didn't know a lot of this went on. I was actually invited to a fund-raising dinner recently for a CPC. It was my first real encounter. I totally assumed they were cool because they were Christian and pro-life. I was a little concerned because one of their speakers was someone that I know to be very closely affiliated with the Doug Phillips crowd...not to hard to find in TX..but I was still a bit surprised. I felt the key note speaker was a bit of a bully...anyway...your post kind of makes that evening make sense.

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  14. Brenda...I think it has to do with which particular groups are behind individual CPCs. Yeah, I'd definitely be a little queasy with one that had even a remote VF connection.

    On the other hand, some CPCs are very ethical and are wonderfully operated.

    It's kinda like Jane said earlier...the money trail behind them usually tells the tale.

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  15. Lewis, yes-some are good, some are bad. Probably the same is true for the individuals within PP, too. I know-from the mouths of some who have worked in PP (Planned Parenthood)-of very sick, disturbing things that have happened within PP. Yet, there are some who work in those places who may be naive and less dark. The book written by the lady who was very high in PP, Texas, is quite revealing and shows many things, including the reality that not all who begin their employment in those places have dark motives. Compassion and understanding is due all around, isn't it? Yet, without neglecting the things that need to be seriously addressed-again, all around.

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  16. What gets me is the mentality like where women are lumped in with evil Pharaohs, that it's all about evil women killing children crock--a Misogynist mentality in of itself. Pharaoh in that story was committing 'gendercide' of boys--NOT girls, why, because Girls are of course taken and raped at will to create a mighty army of Seed for Pharaoh and Egypt. Like the Nazi's, forcing girls in rape camps to create the perfect blond blue eyed Aryan Christian, er, I mean, mighty human [was that Dig deliberate, hmmmmm]

    not Even the same thing as a woman impregnated by an abusive man, a man, a rapist, incest, who then is either not in the place to take care of the child [emotionally, physically or financially] OR where having another child [in DV cases] would create more imprisonment that she cannot escape leaving the Other children AND unborn child in even MORE danger [the TRUE motive of so many of the so called ooooh the fetus types for gawd] and Those are the true Pharaoh's

    and like another said here, the FACT, not opinion, but FACT, NOT OPINION, BUT FACT

    that these Same ooh it's a war to Protect the babies from these horrid Evil Pharaoh mother's

    do Nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, in fact, not only do they Do absolutely nothing to confront CHILD ABUSE BY NEGLECT [refusal to pay child support], CHILD ABUSE BY VIOLENCE [DV, authority abuse, spiritual abuse], CHILD ABUSE BY NEGLECT WITH NO MEDICAL CARE FOR CHILD, NO SAFE CHILD CARE [but if she Stays at home on Welfare that Same MOTHER applauded by Family Values Christians and Fundies that mother is now a Parasite and how DARE SHE get any welfare to be a

    OH MY GOSH MOM TO THAT ONCE UPON A TIME 'FETUS'

    but now remember, lying to protect those children from those Eeeevvvvviiiillll Women

    you know, HAND ME A BASEBALL BAT, cuzz I want to go to town on these types

    I am So done with that pious B.S. of so called FAKE concern over unborn children, over Children period,

    I had my child, I wound up Homeless, with another child, I had to Fight, Social Services not even ten minutes after she was born to KEEP my child because I was POOR

    WHERE WAS THE RIGHT TO LIFER'S THEN? WHERE WAS THE AGENCY CPC THEN WHEN I DIDN'T ADOPT--THEY TRIED TO FORCE ME TOO--WHERE THE F WHERE THEY THEN??????

    WHERE WAS THE NO GOOD CHRISTIAN FATHER? Screwing around like the WHORE HE WAS-and gambling away while mummy and daddy paid for his Brand new four door pickem up truck in good ole Texas--Yeehaw

    and my daughter, and I, and my new child--were living part time in a car and part time [and I paid RENT] in a basement of a family who was Exploiting the crap out of me because they Could--abusing my daughter when I was at work--but it was better than the CAR--where I wound up at 8 months pregnant WITH A JOB

    and WHERE WERE THESE RIGHT TO LIFER'S, WHERE, I WANT AN ANSWER DAMNIT, WHERE?

    Where were these so called Goody Two shoe [oh please don't abort and it's ok to LIE to me] asstards Then? WHERE?

    CON'T

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  17. Con't

    Yes I want to know...I want to know WHY THE CHURCHES I WENT TO--WHEN I WAS DRIVING TO WORK--IN AN ILLEGAL CAR, TO SUPPORT MY FETUS BORN AND DAUGHTER WITH TWO DOLLARS OF GAS IN TANK GOING EMPTY ON A BUSY HIGHWAY--SO I COULD GO TO WORK

    and I had to BEG--BEG LIKE A DOG, FOR GAS TOKENS,

    and I got the SNOBBY LITTLE WITCHES OF HELL WITH THEIR OOOOH DON'T ABORT FAKE CONCERN--with their high class snot face [yea I'm going to go OFF], utopia Christianese Bubble of PRIVILEGE

    PRIVILEGE

    off their backs SCREWING MEN, not by any WORK they have done so they were WHORES

    WHORES JUST LIKE ME BABY

    I DID MY TIME, I PAID--MY DAUGHTER'S PAID

    and we are STILL PAYING

    but WHERE were these oh it's ok to LIE if it saves the child of a Poor mother, that EVIL WOMAN PHARAOH

    you know, you B*tch

    yea That's how I feel, NOT A DAY GOES BY, I DON'T FEEL THAT

    not a Day goes by I don't FEEL that rage

    and Then...

    my Daughter, we Barely survived but Let me tell you,

    RIGHT TO LIFERS

    WE SURVIVED, OFTEN BY MY HAVING TO PUT OUT--YEA YOU HEARD ME--HAVING TO PUT OUT--TO EAT, HAVING TO BEG, TO HAVE A ROOF--

    putting up with MEN and landlords telling me Screw me or go somewhere else because THEY COULD

    WHERE WERE THE RIGHT TO LIFER'S THEN?

    NO WHERE

    but the PLANNED PARENTHOOD WAS STILL THERE--IF FOR MORAL SUPPORT, the LEFTISTS WERE THERE, THE WELFARE FOLKS WERE THERE--HALF ASS BUT BETTER THAN NOTHING

    the Church--HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

    the Right to Lifer's--get me a gun

    I remember, I REMEMBER FIGHTING THESE SAME ASSTARD RIGHT TO LIFER'S FAMILY VALUES AGAINST WELFARE REFORM

    I remember living in PROJECTS with poor single mothers, many who left HORRID ABUSE, with CHILDREN

    living in FILTH, living with DRUGS AND GANG VIOLENCE--I REMEMBER, MY UNBORN FETUS CHILD LIVED THROUGH THAT CRAP

    my Six year old daughter then Still remembers seeing on Christmas a NAKED MAN IN FRONT OF APARTMENT DOOR--DRUGGED OUT OF HIS MIND

    but it was What I could afford--WHERE WERE THE RIGHT TO LIFER'S

    HOW DARE YOU, HOW DARE YOU--COMPARE US TO PHARAOH'S

    HOW THE HELL DARE YOU

    Oh that's right, to make YOURSELF MORALLY SUPERIOR

    BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE A WHORE YOU HAVE A RING

    so the hell what--

    it's the SAME thing,

    Don't like it--TOUGH, it's the truth, the ONLY difference, between YOU

    and the rest of us who have had Children Alone

    us WHORES

    is that YOU have a ring--your Economic Cover is Still based on what?

    PUTTING OUT BABY--you ain't NO different from US but now YOU, YOU go on this moral crusade at how EVIL we are for OH my gosh

    being human and getting PREGNANT--

    many of us WERE married, WERE abused, Oh, %#$@%$#@%#$%#$%$#

    Con't

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  18. Yea and it's THESE WOMEN, AT THESE CENTERS,

    with their FAKE--F.A.K.E. concern, telling US,

    inferior Whores to them--that WE should adopt out--why Of Course, why they are just So much better and just KNOW so much what is BETTER for our Children

    [but don't ask them to fight for daycare or for laws enforced on MEN and those no good SPERM PIECES OF S**T to pay for their children or to end their spoiled ass privilege entitled crap--oh no THESE same women/Right to lifers SUPPORT THE VERY POLICIES

    THE VERY POLICIES AND DOCTRINES THAT CREATE

    THESE SORRY PIECES OF SPERM JERKS

    oh no Don't go there--why it might EFFECT THEIR PAYCHECK

    their PRIVILEGE

    point instead at the WHORE who had the unborn child--that Fetus--and By golly you LET her know who EEEEVVVVVIIIILLLL she is and by golly you PUT THAT GUILT ON HER

    and you Tell her it's her DUTY TO BE PUNISHED AND SPARE THE UNBORN--

    because that is GAWD'S way--you Crucify her you Hear

    because it's all about your Fake poo poo concern for that Child

    but now Here she is, with that CHILD, getting daycare [and here the right to lifers SCREAM--SCREAM I TELL YA--NO, NO IT'S COMMUNISM]

    there She is getting Food stamps [here's the right to lifer's SCREAM--NO, NO, IT'S COMMUNISM, it's an ATTACK ON OUR WHITE PRIVILEGE FAMILY VALUES]

    and oh, ooooh, tell those MEN in your Churches you Pristine Women that it's their RIGHT

    TO SEX

    it's their RIGHT, to have their SEX on demand and woman you shut up and Submit

    yep, Hand me a baseball bat, because DARE, DARE any right to lifer Come to my face with their garbage,

    I'll show them--what right to life is--Their life,

    LET THEM SEE, what it is--you know I feel that much hate I really do--because the HYPOCRISY IS JUST UNREAL

    and I have ZERO tolerance for it--I've seen them [and they had the GALL to ask my now 15 year old daughter at Church to go with them to Protest an abortion clinic--didn't ask ME, oh no, tried to influence HER Politically, that's After all their Nonsense purity ball crap [she said NO, she sees through it], their Constant HARPING AND I DO MEAN HARPING

    on girls about THEIR sexuality but oh BOYS WILL BY BOYS

    WINK WINK

    you know, right to lifers, SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS

    with your Comparing US women to Pharaoh's and your FAKE concern--

    TO HELL WITH YOU, seriously

    I know many of you DO care--Lewis, many of you, I know,

    but to the Types that are FAKE LIARS--I will stand IN YOUR FACE AND I PROMISE YOU

    I PROMISE YOU--I WILL GO TO TOWN, hand me a baseball bat

    and I PROMISE YOU--BOTH OF MY DAUGHTERS WILL UNDERSTAND

    THEY KNOW--THOSE UNBORN NOW NEAR GROWN FETUS'S,

    WHAT LYING PIECES OF TRASH YOU ARE--

    THEY KNOW.

    and THEY ARE LIVING--TESTIMONY--OF YOUR HYPOCRISY.

    now take THAT to the Pharaoh

    Jane

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  19. Jane, I respect that you have had traumatic experiences. I still do not agree that being pro life makes me in any way complicit in the evils sometimes committed to further that cause.

    Being truly pro life means wanting to empower women so that we can have REAL CHOICE. That means that as women (and don't forget the men who love us) we need to educate ourselves about our own fertility, educate ourselves generally so that we can take care of ourselves financially if we have to....I could go on forever.

    Sex education is a joke. Both the abstinence education folks and the "let's give 10 year olds condoms" crowd fall far short in their stated missions. This has to change. Sorry to say, I have my doubts about the odds.

    Our first feminists were staunchly pro life, at a time of our country's history when abortions were relatively commonplace. Seriously.

    Then came the 2nd wave, Roe v. Wade, etc.

    Then my generation, the 3rd wave. This wave has especially disappointed me, as a feminist and as a Christian.

    Maybe we need a 4th wave of feminists who will stand up for the right of each human being to life, dignity, and just basic human rights.

    The core problem isn't abortion. The core problem is that in 2011, we still have women who are abused, have no idea how to manage their fertility, and even sadder, women who are "uncomfortable" discussing birth control with their partners. I know a lot of this is outside the scope of this blog, but is a major part of the abortion problem.

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  20. I know a lot of this is outside the scope of this blog, but is a major part of the abortion problem.

    Don't worry at all about that, Dorothy. I'd hope to consider the mission of this blog to be honest discussion about ANY issue brought up, so don't hesitate to share your thoughts.

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  21. This makes me sick. Prime example of worshipping an agenda, even a good one. The means beginto justify th eends, and pretty soon you have dead abortion doctors.

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