tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post8284253388684092674..comments2024-01-04T15:56:19.156-05:00Comments on Commandments of Men: The Disingenuousness of PatriarchyLewishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05596138376570543467noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-64157554650133098422010-09-12T18:24:37.080-04:002010-09-12T18:24:37.080-04:00My understanding of the metaphorical meanings of &...My understanding of the metaphorical meanings of "kephale" are:<br />1. prominent one or "the one on top" (this may connote authority, but "authority" is not a primary metaphorical meaning of this word)<br />2. origin, source or beginning (this is where "headstone" or "cornerstone" comes in)<br />3. source of provision/nourishment (this is the meaning in Ephesians 4: 15-16, where Christ is the "Head" from whom the body receives growth).<br /><br />I think the meaning in Ephesians 5:22 is probably #3, because the husband is then spoken of as "nourishing" his wife. But I love your deduction, Lewis, that since we cannot serve two masters, "authority" is probably not the meaning of "head of the wife." In any event, since the metaphor is one where "head" and "body" are used together, unity and oneness is clearly also in mind.Kristenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252374623355509404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-67682482960650907092010-09-12T07:06:29.416-04:002010-09-12T07:06:29.416-04:00Hillary and Erika...I think that's what makes ...Hillary and Erika...I think that's what makes it so dangerous - the element of control necessary to uphold the system. Relinquish even a small bit of the control, and the entire system crumbles. <br /><br />Jenny...I think the extremes are necessary for them to generate the fear required to maintain control and keep the product viable. Scare people enough and you can sell them just about anything.Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05596138376570543467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-20689650308146390812010-09-11T20:56:05.565-04:002010-09-11T20:56:05.565-04:00Voluntary submission...Yes, if it was meant to be ...Voluntary submission...Yes, if it was meant to be involuntary, that Paul likely would've said, "Men, make your wives submit," an interpretation that many take anyway.<br /><br />Good point about "rebel" versus "resist." Isn't "resisting" what everyone wants a wife to do if her husband is being abusive or forcing her to sin?<br /><br />What I see as the main problem with her post is that it's all about extremes rather than degrees. She doesn't say this, of course, but there's an implication that anything short of complete submission is complete rebellion. Maybe that's a good way of generally looking at our relationship with God, but our relationship with human authorities isn't so black and white.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11046641822669890457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-74681233252182000102010-09-11T12:22:05.261-04:002010-09-11T12:22:05.261-04:00I saw her definitions of patriarchy and patriocent...I saw her definitions of patriarchy and patriocentric to be the same, just as you did. They're the SAME THINGS!<br /><br />I love this part of the passage: "The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit:"<br /><br />So many parents (especially fathers) in patriarchal homes forget that their unmarried daughters care for the things of the Lord, NOT the father. That seems to be the way in patriarchal homes. The unmarried daughters end up serving their fathers and care for their fathers because their fathers put themselves in<br />the place of God in their families. Of course, if they allow their daughters to actually care for the things of God, they lose control over them because the things of God don't always line up as the things Daddy wants.<br /><br />You are so right about it being idolatry. <br /><br />Narrow-mindedness indeed!Erika Martin - Stampin' Mamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15654013636892916062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-48502261523880745832010-09-11T11:09:10.546-04:002010-09-11T11:09:10.546-04:00Thanks for making the distinction of practice. The...Thanks for making the distinction of practice. The <i>praxis</i> of neo-patriarchy in the home can be wholly different than the <i>precept</i> <a href="http://www.quiveringdaughters.com/2010/08/counterfeit-patriarchy.html" rel="nofollow">(whether the precepts are accurately drawn from the Bible or not).</a> <br /><br />I love how this passage, written to the church (men AND women) distinguishes the true Head of the body: <i>but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ—from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.</i> (Eph. 4)Hillaryhttp://www.quiveringdaughters.com/noreply@blogger.com