tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post4825514689282518117..comments2024-01-04T15:56:19.156-05:00Comments on Commandments of Men: A 200 Year Plan? I'll Be Thankful To Just Make It Through The MorningLewishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05596138376570543467noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-489035505161322242010-09-26T21:57:07.672-04:002010-09-26T21:57:07.672-04:00I am so sorry for what you have gone through, Jane...I am so sorry for what you have gone through, Jane.<br /><br />Heavenly Father,<br /><br />I ask and pray that You will comfort all of those whom Jane represents. Help them know that God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of Love, and of Power, and of a Sound Mind in Jesus Christ. <br /><br />I ask You in the Name of Jesus to get them support in prayer and in all other needs in their bodies, in their souls, and in their spirits. I ask for people to come to their aid quickly in Jesus' Name.<br /><br />I ask You to make them know deeply Psalm 23, oh God. I ask you to wrap them in Your Strong Arms of Love and Deliverance from all of this evil in which they have lived.<br /><br />Oh God, I cry out for these Dear Ones,<br />In Jesus' Name, Amen.<br /><br />((((Jane))) I understand when you say freemasonry is seen more in the spirit than it is in the flesh. I am so sorry you have had to see what you have of darkness in the spirit world. <br /><br />CaraCara Coffeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185954714426587340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-45977700676637506542010-09-26T16:22:54.867-04:002010-09-26T16:22:54.867-04:00in the beginning, it was Tree of Life, Tree of Kno...in the beginning, it was Tree of Life, Tree of Knowledge, <br /><br />in Rev it is Book of Life, the Books--taken from trees,<br /><br />by those books, they were judged, those NOT in Tree of LIFE, etc., the sum of all books,<br /><br />is humanity's knowledge, of good evil, Tree of LIFE, is giving LIFE,<br /><br />just like nature does, Gods Word [Jesus] created nature, nature All of it, gives life, dies recycles into life over and over, cells etc., Jesus said sheeps/goats, goats Consume, sheeps give Garments, by their wool,<br /><br />they Cloth the naked, love covers a Multitude of sins, consumption strips people and points out their nakedness, it's NOT being naked that is bad, it's the 'shame' that is Put on those naked, that is lack of Love, Mercy,<br /><br />sum of all books, books Testifies against humanity because it's all the trees butchered, so humanity can be 'gods', they rejected God's Word, etc.,<br /><br />which is Jesus, which is LIFE, giving Life, Love, Mercy,<br /><br />nature does not sit there and decide who is good/evil, nature simply eats, lives, evolves, gives life--it's all interdependent, ecology, that is the personality of God, we are to be made into His likeness,<br /><br />it was Never supposed to be about theology or doctrines/dogma, that is 'good and evil' that Measuring stick, that erases Love, that Strips naked, each other,<br /><br />that abuses, controls, destroys<br /><br />that builds up pyramids to Magnify [magnifying glass] oneself or system to something it's really Not,<br /><br />we Lose it when we are busy trying to be 'good' for plastic Jesus, <br /><br />and the thing is, it's So simple [the simplicity in Christ] that its deemed by Religion to be pagan or new age or a million other demonized labels,<br /><br />by our Fruits...our Works, tree hands, what do they do? They give LIFE, they give oxygen and shelter birds and give food--<br /><br />our Veins, blood, carries Oxygen, like Lightening, that gives Energy--to give LIFE,<br /><br />the Books are opened, Book of LIFE <br /><br />or sum of all books, good and evil, that measuring stick, because obsessed with good and evil means one has to strip naked, measure, judge, not LOVE, not COVER, <br /><br />religion.<br /><br />By their Fruits ye shall know them...I think, what will be the most Shocking thing,<br /><br />is that it won't be Christians the Religion that God approves of,<br /><br />but those who Lived the Way, Truth, Life, those who lived and gave life, Jesus in them,<br /><br />LOVE.<br /><br />JaneJaneDoeThreadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214008105767162997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-61050431805966644212010-09-26T16:06:31.631-04:002010-09-26T16:06:31.631-04:00[con't see top three, sorry due to word count]...[con't see top three, sorry due to word count] anyhow, Egypt like with Ramses is where we are at now [DIA Denver, Obama saying he looked like Pharaoh, they put the death god of Egypt statute at DIA] this is HUGE with Masonry, there are underground tunnels that look like something out of Hitler's concentration camps--the Illuminati IS real,<br /><br />many will serve this deception, because like Daniel says, it will promise peace, destroy with peace, daughters of women will be given over but they will not support<br /><br />daughters of masonry, trafficking, child sacrifices including in religion, the false temples, that happened in the 60s,<br /><br />I believe I was one of those daughters, there are many of us survivors of RA abuse, many coming out with DID and so forth--many coming out of spiritual abuse/cults claiming Christ,<br /><br />anti-Christ, anti the WAY, TRUTH, LIFE,<br /><br />we have been indoctrinated to worship the person, but Jesus yes a person, was also the Word, see what I am saying? Spirit,<br /><br />for years I was deceived Thought I was Christian, but no way, IF you love me you will obey me Jesus said, obey what? Well what did He do?<br /><br />He delivered, He healed, He loved, He was homeless, He was poor, He spent lots of time praying IN NATURE, not in buildings, He fed the poor, He taught, He spent time with people most churches don't give a second look,<br /><br />the WAY, TRUTH, LIFE, John the Baptist lived in the Wilderness, ate wild honey/locusts, like the Native Indians did [Elijah, the bear, just like Native Indians], the indigenous peoples who respect Mother Earth, who respect the elements, who are not materialist, etc., yes there were tribes who got lost along the way, we All do, <br /><br />but They are Still consistent in 2010 with their beliefs, where the Churchianity is NOT, and By THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM,<br /><br />look at the difference in Fruits, Love Joy Peace,<br />the way of peace they have not known God says in Romans, but they leave misery and destruction,<br /><br />Separate yourselves from them, touch not their unclean thing God says, then I'll receive you,<br /><br />see religion [man's doctrines] has had it all wrong, Sound Doctrine, is just that, SOUND, to hear the Spirit, <br /><br />we don't Hear because of all the Mountains of idols and debates and hates and all that that are In the way,<br /><br />we ARE that wretched, poor, naked and miserable church in Revelations--God will Destroy those who destroy the EARTH, Rev...the angel will throw huge rock I think [can't recall read it days ago] into Babylon,Rev, that's comet, I am convinced of that, right into America--<br /><br />America, City of Rome, Washington D.C., tied into Rome Europe, the Fornicator, Mother of Harlots, Babylon, it's Spiritual,<br /><br />and our churches are false prophets...the majority of them.<br /><br />To those who have ears, let them hear...it's time, to go to the wilderness, repent, sackcloth and ashes, seriously, and turn our backs on the lies of man...materialism [destruction of LIFE on earth] and Love One Another,<br /><br />JaneJaneDoeThreadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214008105767162997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-80150632080010135542010-09-26T15:54:55.034-04:002010-09-26T15:54:55.034-04:00battling sin, by that I mean that nature, that whi...battling sin, by that I mean that nature, that while the Word of God 'seed' is growing battles with that, the flesh is what Paul called it, in our members [members I also think are the elements inside our bodies/from clay, we are made from clay--elements], scripture, clay, bronze, silver, gold, etc., iron, so forth,<br /><br />we Worship those things when we take from earth, make into Idols, etc., the more we worship/consume [see James] that inner strife, Anyhow,<br /><br />there is so much more to this, but the Thing is, I wanted to Warn you yesterday, anon-ATI with that Alert thing you mentioned, see Genesis, the Nephalim,<br /><br />and they aren't the only ones. Many Don't believe in this, but Jesus said, in the end days it will be Like the days of Noah, woe to women,<br /><br />why woe to women? In the worship of aliens, the number one Cult there is working on Cloning, there are experiments [since Nazi's too] on women's wombs, question Why?<br /><br />The UN has [Australian news put it out] just formed a UN liaison from Malaysia for Aliens...<br /><br />Jesus said man would fear what is coming from the 'skies'<br /><br />There are numerous manifestations, it's Not just masonry or the secret societies, it's those who want/lust for Power, who love idols, etc., who reject Love [not eros, remember Jesus said, they will marry and be giving in marriage, but WAS HE talking about only humans, or humans and aliens? [aliens many say are fallen angels] I don't know,<br /><br />this is not a Thus saith the Lord, but this is one of those Never say never...to me I think it's very possible,<br /><br />that in this Spiritual Warfare in the end, all will be made manifest...both in nature [in nature remember, it's all life, cells, fusion, atoms, etc Jesus is Alpha and Omega, the bond that fuses it all together] yes this sounds like Cabala?, there is a lot of truth In that, though I don't worship it, etc.,<br /><br />Jesus was cornerstone they rejected...the element table that is huge among Nazi's and sorcery and all that, is also big among these alien worshipers, also the ones following RA that worship is huge right now [Egypt] and Sumeria,<br /><br />just a lot of stuff I don't understand, but the Lord God is over all--HE created it all, that I do know, I think the time is like an hourglass, we are going backwards/counterclockwise, from A.D. birth of Jesus to backwards...the Mayans, 2012, is the Serpent, garden of Eden, the big deception,<br /><br />con'tJaneDoeThreadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214008105767162997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-87626407626672523032010-09-26T15:45:55.028-04:002010-09-26T15:45:55.028-04:00mentally I tell myself This isn't who God is, ...mentally I tell myself This isn't who God is, but all those scriptures from OT come to me, how the Lord God says the women will be ravished, etc., all that and I just like, am murderous inside,<br /><br />because I KNOW that those forces are REAL, I've SEEN them, literally with my own eyes, I've been horribly persecuted by them all my life, through my parents [long family line, both with ties to Gov] and through para-normal, including every husband/man relationship, All had ties to some kind of occult/other 'gods' and so, <br /><br />you ask if Masonry is involved, YES, but see the thing is, it's not masonry in the matter/people sense, you have to look at it in the Spiritual sense, with masonry it's the worship like universalism of all 'gods' and 'goddesses' all the way back to ancients, in my family there was 33 degree, also<br /><br />in Religion, long family line in Catholic [the hard core] and that is Really related, but it's also huge in Protestant, the thing is, I think, is that the temple we are to worship in is not made with human hands, in OT, God said, when you make an altar do not use cut rock or put any tools/man's to it OR it will be defiled, etc.,<br /><br />I do NOT know like how it all works in the Spiritual, or Why really, I do know, Religion, in all it's forms, is the 'transforming into an angel of light', it's not God,<br /><br />God is Spirit and Truth, the thing I think is that they turned the whole following Jesus into following an Idol that is a thing,<br /><br />Jesus is Way, Truth, Life, Jesus word made flesh, lived on earth the Way, Truth, Life and That is what is supposed to Grow inside of us, through the Word, until Christ be formed IN you,<br /><br />this following this plastic Jesus, this Person made into the image of what Man has created, is NOT the real Jesus,<br /><br />it is man. Now I have asked, more and more if Satan is really, just what is inside of us that is anti-Christ, anti-Love, anti-Mercy, etc., and son of perdition is the forming Of that, through words, deeds, etc., through man's words,<br /><br />this gets into area I don't have words to describe but I've seen, through battling the darkness [darkness isn't black dark btw, darkness is not being able to see, hiding from light,truth] inside myself,<br /><br />con'tJaneDoeThreadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214008105767162997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-49767659551762869052010-09-26T15:36:13.061-04:002010-09-26T15:36:13.061-04:00Lewis, anon-ex ati, Cara, et al.,
I tried to comm...Lewis, anon-ex ati, Cara, et al.,<br /><br />I tried to comment yesterday numerous times, had so much horrible fear though that I deleted, yesterday was hell day, I still have those, anon-ex ATI, your post Triggered me in such a HUGE way, and then, to top it off, a woman I support who was a sex slave for years and who writes Truth and opposes the pro-porn/pro-prostitution industry, she is having similar trigger issues that I deal with, so That triggered then to top that off, last night, over at GLP read Sandi's testimony, she's writing a book about how her being foster child With Christian Baptists who IN the church, raped her, strapped her to a cross, peed on her, all kinds of Satanic ritual abuse that I know how that goes,<br /><br />and well that was IT, I just lost it, didn't think I would pull through but did, but every time I go through this abyss I think, I won't pull through This time, the hate I struggle with against God is just Unreal,<br /><br />con'tJaneDoeThreadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214008105767162997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-72308223643339129692010-09-26T12:55:49.160-04:002010-09-26T12:55:49.160-04:00Hi anon-ATI-
Do you happen to know what Gothard a...Hi anon-ATI-<br /><br />Do you happen to know what Gothard and Co. have planned? It sounds like they are gearing up for a government take over.<br /><br />RiHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-27611504161277341832010-09-26T09:08:47.208-04:002010-09-26T09:08:47.208-04:00Lewis....would you e-mail me some info if you have...Lewis....would you e-mail me some info if you have it?<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Cara<br /><br />to_eternity@earthlink.netCara Coffeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185954714426587340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-27941869884180717032010-09-26T09:04:04.640-04:002010-09-26T09:04:04.640-04:00"This all puts me in mind of Freemasonry. Mak..."This all puts me in mind of Freemasonry. Making me wonder if there's a connection."<br /><br />I don't doubt it a bit, Cara. There are lots of rumors swirling around that even many VERY prominent mainstream Christians are high-ranking masons. Very shadowy.Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05596138376570543467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-4858899081758839822010-09-26T08:50:16.198-04:002010-09-26T08:50:16.198-04:00This all puts me in mind of Freemasonry. Making me...This all puts me in mind of Freemasonry. Making me wonder if there's a connection.<br /><br />There's an actual hit list for people speaking out against that particular antichrist. And government connections are within those demonic tribes, too.<br /><br />I hope a "platform" of Christian leaders is built within Christianity so that these issues can be discussed toward the removal of antichrist from the Christian churches and toward the victims getting what they need to heal. <br /><br />It is treacherous indeed when they must hide within our Christian midst. Oh I could say more. This is so anti-Bible, anti-New Testament message. <br /><br />If anyone would like to "pray this out" I have just recently felt the Lord take me to Acts 20:28-32. If you would join me, I would be honored.<br /><br />CaraCara Coffeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185954714426587340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-24139498708431833162010-09-25T23:59:43.013-04:002010-09-25T23:59:43.013-04:00Anon-ATI here again.
Hillary, in answer to the fo...Anon-ATI here again.<br /><br />Hillary, in answer to the following:<br />"Besides denial I think it is from the sheer lack of any ability to substantiate/prove these things and be believed. It's daunting when you're one little girl or one little boy against a behemoth. Perhaps one day someone will come forward or some savvy investigative journalist will pick this up. Those who I have spoken to (and for the record, who have never give any reason for doubting them, based on their character and integrity as individuals) reiterate how overwhelming and 'impossible' it would be to expose the truth without some kind of miracle."<br /><br />I agree completely. We really do face a behemoth, and at least in my case, ATI is run very well. They aren't stupid, and they have a whole slew of lawyers and ruthless tactics I'm sure they'd be happy to use against anyone who might dare to cause a stir. Like I said, that entire investigation in Indianapolis disappeared as if it'd never happened. It's some scary stuff. I don't blame those who didn't speak out, not in the least!! I'm only sad that ATI/IBLP has caused so much wreckage and that there's total lack of justice for this kind of thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-38698324028972026392010-09-25T21:08:59.007-04:002010-09-25T21:08:59.007-04:00I hope anon-ati does contact you, Lewis. I'm p...I hope anon-ati does contact you, Lewis. I'm preparing a series about this very subject. I think raising awareness of this is so important...Hillaryhttp://www.quiveringdaughters.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-56927564710614169592010-09-25T18:03:14.941-04:002010-09-25T18:03:14.941-04:00DoaHF...Thanks for the encouragement. For the reco...DoaHF...Thanks for the encouragement. For the record, I'm very proud of you for the steps you're taking with your life.Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05596138376570543467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-64248853557314776732010-09-25T17:06:56.791-04:002010-09-25T17:06:56.791-04:00Anonymous ex-ATI...If you'd be comfortable doi...Anonymous ex-ATI...If you'd be comfortable doing so, please contact me via the link at the top of the page. Completely up to you, though.Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05596138376570543467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-72089301642504354862010-09-25T15:10:53.043-04:002010-09-25T15:10:53.043-04:00God help us.
((((Anonymous))))I ask you to forgiv...God help us.<br /><br />((((Anonymous))))I ask you to forgive us, Anonymous. I wish I could hug you in person. I pray God will show you His Perfect Love in spite of the horror of what you have been through as a result of "Christianity".<br /><br />Thank you for being brave and sharing. I believe you.<br /><br />Thank you Jane.Cara Coffeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185954714426587340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-71322436336603898092010-09-25T14:49:39.344-04:002010-09-25T14:49:39.344-04:00TO Ex-ATI/IBLP member here again,
I don't fee...TO Ex-ATI/IBLP member here again,<br /><br />I don't feel comfortable exposing a lot here, but when I say it's not just Gothard, it's in Catholic [has been for eons], Jesuits, Mainstream, via masonry, etc., monarchs are children vulnerable, or given over by parents/families either members of the cult forces [this is Satanism ok, bottom line] or who have traded off for power, etc., these children are being soul split, so that altars [spiritual forces/gods] can utilize them for a much larger agenda,<br /><br />think of this world as one big huge prison complex, ok, but in physics/spiritual, that has numerous different sub-cells,<br /><br />with the warden, who wants power to rule/and overtake the big warden over all[who isn't really a warden] who is given a time To rule, <br /><br />also as the testing of what is in all individuals, what those individuals choose. This warden does not care about free will, why God said, in OT do not sacrifice children to Molech, why God allowed Israel to be taken over--<br /><br />all in all it's what humanity chooses to Love, and in that love they kill life, destroy nature, all of nature has life that gives, so in an odd way humanity is it's own warden, <br /><br />there IS a way to overcome the 'altars' and that is to choose, inside one's own universe [inner spiritual] to choose Love, to Love, to overcome evil, we overcome evil with good,<br /><br />Holocaust survivors who did survive with souls intact Did so by choosing inside themselves to love/create their own worlds inside that was ruled with love--They survived,<br /><br />those who chose hate did not.<br /><br />I speak as a survivor, who has had to Personally war against the 'altars' and still does, for years I was controlled/lived for them EVEN WHEN,<br /><br />I thought I was Christian...but it Was Jesus who saved me and brought me out of the darkness,<br /><br />not Christianity, ok, but Jesus, I do not attend church [nor will I ever] or have anything to do with the institutional christianity which, little clue for you,<br /><br />christian-ani-ty, anti christ<br /><br />write me<br /><br />Love,<br /><br />JaneJaneDoeThreadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214008105767162997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-59807331296221859492010-09-25T14:36:03.640-04:002010-09-25T14:36:03.640-04:00TO Ex-ATI/IBLP member here again,
I believe you, ...TO Ex-ATI/IBLP member here again,<br /><br />I believe you, not only that, but this,<br /><br />"...childcare facility in Oklahoma (program has since been dismantled as many are in the cult probably to save face), some kind of program taking orphans from Russia and brainwashing them...the list goes on and on and on."<br /><br />the children, Russia, are Monarchs,<br /><br />how do I know this? Well I've hinted here numerous times, I too don't divulge much because it would take months to explain, I was born in D.C., Venus on the wall--ok, my father's family works for gov,<br /><br />you see it's trade off, children, blood sacrifices, blood letting, it IS spiritual, one of the most powerful fronts IS religion, Christianity [this goes all the way back to 300 A.D., Paul & John warned of this back in 60-70 A.D.],<br /><br />it's Also in the secular AND beware, a lot of the 'treatment' for survivors [or those who didn't survive and are so split, etc] is also a FRONT, the psychology and psychiatry, it's to keep control of the 'pawns', <br /><br />ever heard of Illuminati? Well it's REAL, ok, it's not just some conspiracy, but there are many deviations or well how to put this, there are those who are actually Responsible or in the matrix so to speak who are exposing 'bits' of the Illuminati to steer the masses [or those handled] to blame certain segments of society, mostly Christians/Jews [esp Jews] and any who do not conform to the intended agenda, etc., eg free thinkers, so forth,<br /><br />these Monarchs are children [in Russian videos of orphans, you'll see the monarch butterfly in the bottom corner, monarch butterflies, symbolism, goes all the way back to the cults of Egypt, ok], there is a LOT to this,<br /><br />what makes it hard is when seeing it to also see how God is over all, Why would this be happening? Well because of what humanity has chosen, it's like a door invite, ok, what humanity adheres to in heart, what humanity loves,<br /><br />this is Why God said in OT, not to worship other 'gods', HE didn't DENY their existence,<br /><br />that is KEY there, but not to worship them...serve them or do their ways, one of the biggest ways Was child sacrifice/abuse, orgies and then children born/abandoned [orphaned] and then Those children, were vulnerable to abuse/blood letting,<br /><br />it's WHO wants that blood and why, OK, this goes to the spiritual, all the way to the Top--including military,<br /><br />it's WAY bigger than just Gothard, believe me,<br /><br />you can email me, janedoethreads7@hotmail.com,<br /><br />if you want to talk. These abuses are going to get a whole lot worse, and more widespread. <br /><br />JaneJaneDoeThreadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214008105767162997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-69588423639667564712010-09-25T14:12:36.280-04:002010-09-25T14:12:36.280-04:00My dad was given Botkin's CDs as a present, so...My dad was given Botkin's CDs as a present, so he listened to them and drew out his own plan. <br />It involved all of his children, children-in-law, and grandchildren and grandchildren-in-law (... and on down the 200 year scale) learning/being taught Biblical (Koine) Greek like we were and preferably at a young age (my sister and I were 12, some of the other kids began younger, but were not able to understand fully yet the complexity of grammar/syntax/word structure/etc.) <br /><br />All future young men coming to court my sister were informed of this requirement and to my knowledge some actually bought a book and began learning. I am not sure how he meant to enforce this with his daughters-in-law, but I am sure he would make a plan when the time came that he had any.<br /><br />I find your words amazing, because even though I am "out" too many parts of me are still captive to the old ways that were drilled into me. I love your blog because you highlight things that I can change on and remind me of areas that I would not think of on my own.<br />Keep it up!<br />DoaHFDoaHFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-27605029013033217812010-09-25T14:09:30.959-04:002010-09-25T14:09:30.959-04:00Ex-ATI/IBLP anonymous, I believe you.Ex-ATI/IBLP anonymous, I believe you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-38679215892974046382010-09-25T13:57:20.170-04:002010-09-25T13:57:20.170-04:00Besides denial I think it is from the sheer lack o...Besides denial I think it is from the sheer lack of any ability to substantiate/prove these things and be believed. It's daunting when you're one little girl or one little boy against a behemoth. Perhaps one day someone will come forward or some savvy investigative journalist will pick this up. Those who I have spoken to (and for the record, who have never give any reason for doubting them, based on their character and integrity as individuals) reiterate how overwhelming and 'impossible' it would be to expose the truth without some kind of miracle.Hillaryhttp://www.quiveringdaughters.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-85502482681262518562010-09-25T12:42:21.175-04:002010-09-25T12:42:21.175-04:00Ex-ATI/IBLP member here again... Hillary, if you m...Ex-ATI/IBLP member here again... Hillary, if you mean within my cult, yes. Absolutely. I spent some time trying to hunt down fellow ex-members and get more to speak out, which as I mentioned earlier, failed. But during that time I found and heard multiple stories like that. I also have high suspicions which of course I cannot confirm, about Bill Gothard himself. I don't know, I'm hesitant to accuse of such heinous things and again I cannot confirm, so just take the following at face value I suppose.<br /><br />I recall being at one of the higher-level (for lack of better word) "training centers" once, located in Michigan... Bill Gothard had singled out, for some reason, a boy who was about 10 to 12 years old. He said that God had potential for him or some such thing, and that he was going to personally "disciple" (mentor) this boy for a time. The two were never apart, and I'm sorry to say this, but that boy didn't look particularly happy and Gothard himself was...strange. Just, weird. If memory serves, they departed in a small plane alone from the air strip located on the property (alone, that is, aside from Bill's usual assistant or two, being a cult leader he is always surrounded and waited on hand and foot). I do remember the plane, for sure, as one or two in my particular small subgroup were really excited and snapped pictures. But I could swear I remember Gothard basically saying "Want to fly in a plane?" or something like that to the boy. I remember 100% that it was just too creepy for words.<br /><br />That aside, there are many stories of abuse that gets swept under the rug or even blatantly blamed on the victim!!! It's sick, sick stuff. ATI/IBLP is full of horror stories; I'm only shocked that the denial runs so very deep among members and often even ex-members...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-77777121125780949942010-09-25T11:44:54.628-04:002010-09-25T11:44:54.628-04:00I believe it. I've also heard stories from dif...I believe it. I've also heard stories from different people regarding physical and sexual abuse.Hillaryhttp://www.quiveringdaughters.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-6575109443204122952010-09-25T10:53:18.450-04:002010-09-25T10:53:18.450-04:00Anonymous...Thanks for your comments, and I welcom...Anonymous...Thanks for your comments, and I welcome discussion from people of all persuasions, so you're very welcome here.<br /><br />I can honestly say that I don't doubt anything you just typed.Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05596138376570543467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-56908598274718731712010-09-25T10:42:41.230-04:002010-09-25T10:42:41.230-04:00(continued) In closing, this stuff goes deep. So G...(continued) In closing, this stuff goes deep. So Geoff, I'm afraid, is coming in late. Bill Gothard dreamed it up a long time ago, and his well oiled cult machine runs smoothly beneath the surface. There is no single commune to be easily pointed out and noticed, and their "training centers" are simple huge industrial-looking buildings, converted hospitals and clean cut business-like places. Their members are not self evident but by the subtlest of signs, and their programs are recycled over and over again under different names with slight changes, even outsourced or moved if they gain too much attention. One such program I was forced to be involved in (I would rather not elaborate just yet) was dismantled and moved out to Australia, where it functions in two or three places there. A large investigation in Indianapolis, complete with media involvement, even vanished as if into thin air. The truth is far more frightening than this post implies. I myself, and from what I can tell, many other ex-members, live in a silent unspoken fear because this cult works so well on an international level and yet remain such a silent giant... And don't get me started on what they call the ALERT men, a strange thing that personally I never knew much about, who have their own military-style uniforms and methods, perform exercises and work in boot camp style, etc. (because we had no sons in our own family, just daughters, which in such a cult are considered less than men of course... we really didn't know much of anything about what ALERT really was, we just saw them marching and doing exercises at various gatherings within the cult). When the space shuttle Columbia disaster took place, for example, they were enlisted to help gather pieces. I wish I knew more about this strange militia-like force, and it seriously troubles me wondering why a cult, especially one as frightening and rife with horrors as our own, should feel any need to have it.<br /><br />So...this doesn't surprise me in the least. I sort of just shake my head at it. Geoff isn't the first, by any means, to dream of filtering into the government and establishing a sort of dominion. What scares me is how no one knows that this is going on, right now, today. All in the name of Bill Gothard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6879552692521649812.post-27075080206217507632010-09-25T10:41:49.615-04:002010-09-25T10:41:49.615-04:00(continued) In closing... This stuff goes deep. Ge...(continued) In closing... This stuff goes deep. Geoff, I'm afraid, is coming in late. Bill Gothard dreamed it up a long time ago, and his well oiled cult machine runs smoothly beneath the surface. There is no single commune to be easily pointed out and noticed, and their "training centers" are simple huge industrial-looking buildings, converted hospitals and clean cut business-like places. Their members are not self evident but by the subtlest of signs, and their programs are recycled over and over again under different names with slight changes, even outsourced or moved if they gain too much attention. One such program I was forced to be involved in (I would rather not elaborate just yet) was dismantled and moved out to Australia, where it functions in two or three places there. A large investigation in Indianapolis, complete with media involvement, even vanished as if into thin air. The truth is far more frightening than this post implies. I myself, and from what I can tell, many other ex-members, live in a silent unspoken fear because this cult works so well on an international level and yet remain such a silent giant... And don't get me started on what they call the ALERT men, a strange thing that personally I never knew much about, who have their own military-style uniforms and methods, perform exercises and work in boot camp style, etc. (because we had no sons in our own family, just daughters, which in such a cult are considered less than men of course... we really didn't know much of anything about what ALERT really was, we just saw them marching and doing exercises at various gatherings within the cult). When the space shuttle Columbia disaster took place, for example, they were enlisted to help gather pieces. I wish I knew more about this strange militia-like force, and it seriously troubles me wondering why a cult, especially one as frightening and rife with horrors as our own, should feel any need to have it.<br /><br />So...this doesn't surprise me in the least. I sort of just shake my head at it. Geoff isn't the first, by any means, to dream of filtering into the government and establishing a sort of dominion. What scares me is how no one knows that this is going on, right now, today. All in the name of Bill Gothard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com